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First Published December 2007
We love RPN
I just read Kenneth R. Foster’s review of the HP
35s [“Blast
from the Past,” Resources, October].
Most reviews of the calculator give it a “why
bother” rating, and technically they are right. The
reason the calculator is the way it is—missing some
obvious features and bloated with seemingly unneeded
ones—is that it is really targeted to those taking
professional exams and even, increasingly, to those
taking college exams. Modern practice is to outlaw
advanced calculators from these tests: there is a
concern that the advanced units can potentially be
used to store information from the test for others
to use. The HP 35s is designed to be acceptable for
these tests, as was the HP 33S. Prior to those
calculators there was an incredible demand for older
HP calculators (but not historic classics) on eBay,
because the advanced ones were no longer allowed in
class. People were paying over $120 for an early
1990s vintage plain HP 32SII—more than twice its
original list price—because it used Reverse Polish
Notation (RPN) and was accepted on the tests.
I own a number of HP calculators, from the HP 35
original to the HP 41. They all still work! For a
combination of the nostalgia and needing a thin HP
calculator (to fit in my stuffed attaché case) for
use in electrical engineering classes I teach, I
bought an HP 35s. I use it only in RPN mode. It is a
good, basic calculator that I recommend for my
students. The one negative aspect about it is that
the STO key is a shifted function rather than a
direct one as on all my older HP calculators. I wish
they had not done that.
Kenneth A. Kuhn
Birmingham, Ala.
I feel compelled to tell you that I keep two HP
calculators on my desk at all times. I use both
daily: an HP 16C Computer Science model, which I
guard carefully. The company doesn’t make them
anymore and the calculator never, ever leaves my
office. My other calculator is an HP 32S. I couldn’t
imagine doing my day-to-day work without either of
these. Calculators on a computer screen simply don’t
work for me; I don’t like them. Also, thanks to your
article, I learned about the new/retro HP 35. I’m
going to buy one.
I agree that most calculators have features that
go unused. As for the HP 16C, however, I use each
and every feature on it (it has far fewer features
than other units), and if this one ever fails, I’ll
be looking for a replacement on eBay.
Thanks for writing the article! I enjoyed reading it.
Mike Jablonski
River Heights, Utah
I just read your review of the HP 35s, in which
you question the usefulness of the calculator’s
integration function. Over the years I have used HP
calculators for one reason: the integration
function. Most of what people do with calculators, I
do in my head. I’m a senior staff optical engineer
at an aerospace company, and I spend a few hours
every day trying to do system optimizations in
meetings. Many of these systems are infrared, and it
always comes down to integrating the Planck function
over constantly changing spectral intervals at
different temperatures, to determine how the optical
coatings, detectors, and so on, will perform.
Yes, I have that routine on my computer, but it
is never where I really need it—in meetings. If HP
had not maintained this function over the years, I
really would not need a pocket calculator. Please
don’t discourage HP from doing the right things.
Lanny Sterritt
IEEE Life Member
Palo Alto, Calif.
I enjoyed your article on the reissued HP 35s
calculator. I still have (and use) my HP 5C, which I
purchased in about 1976 for $160. Thirty-one years
and many battery packs later—now I’m cobbling
together my own packs—it’s still working just fine.
The best thing about the HP calculators is the touch
of the keys. They are engineered to give the user a
positive feel that the key has in fact been
depressed and contact made. Well-written manual, too.
Peter A. Goodwin
IEEE Member
Rockport, Mass.
Of Moguls and Marathas
Although Forum is not a proper place for a
discussion of history of India, a gross error needs
to be corrected. In “Bureaucracy
Blues” [October], Vittal P Pyati states
that “India would probably be an Islamic country
today had not the British stepped in.” The Moguls’
power in India was coming to an end as Marathas,
Rajputs, Sikhs, and Peshwas defeated them, causing
the rapid decline of the Mogul Empire. The Marathas
were defeated by the British in the Third
Anglo-Maratha War of 1817–1818. (See A.K. Walden’s
Introduction
to Indian Historiography, Popular
Prakashan, 1972; and Grant Duff’s History of
Marathas, Oxford University Press, 1921.)
In June 1818, Maratha power was finally crushed,
and the leader Baji Rao was pensioned off and
shipped north of Bithur, a place near Uttar Pradesh
province, which would become one of the centers of
the 1857 mutiny, the first war against the British.
(See Stanley Wolpert’s A New History of
India, 7th ed., Oxford University Press,
2004, p. 203.)
Nirode Mohanty
IEEE Fellow
Huntington Beach, Calif.
Green Turns Brown?
Don’t you think that it is extremelycavalier
of a reputable engineering magazine to talk of the
greening [“The
Greening of Google,” October] brought
about by solar photovoltaic panels, without so much
as even once mentioning the pollution footprint
during their fabrication, transportation, and
eventual disposal (after their 15-year life span)?
Or are we preparing for another media circus 15
years from now, when Earth’s temperature has risen
another degree and Americans are being chastised for
dumping PV panels wholesale in some poor country?
Anant Kumar
IEEE Member
Margate, Fla.
I enjoyed reading the story, and it is good to see
big companies getting slightly green. I wonder
though if the author was taken in by the PR people
at Google.
If the installation has a 1.6-megawatt peak
power, then the average for 24 hours would be 400
kilowatts. Northern California is between 5 and 6
kilowatt-hours–per–day insolation. This is a quarter
of the 1-kW insolation value at a plate normal to
the sun at noon (see
http://rredc.nrel.gov/solar/old_data/nsrdb/redbook/atlas/serve.cgi).
The average U.S. home uses a little over 1 kW on
average. So we are talking about fewer than 400
homes and not 1000.
For Google, the electrical energy consumption at
its headquarters is a small fraction of the
electrical energy consumed by its servers. It would
have been interesting if the author had asked how
much electricity Google uses in the United States,
to put the 400 kW in perspective.
The net winter capacity in the United States of
all the generating plants in 2005 was over 1 million
MW (see
http://www.eia.doe.gov/cneaf/electricity/epa/epat2p2.html).
Since these plants theoretically can operate over 24
hours, the 400 kW at Google is a drop in the bucket.
A lot more serious thinking and actions are needed
before we celebrate the coming of age of solar power.
Keep these articles coming, but be sure that the
authors know the difference between watts and watt-hours.
Linos Jacovides
IEEE Fellow
Grosse Pointe Farms, Mich.
Sexist Stereotype
If you really are committed to welcoming more
women into engineering, then the executive editor’s
response to Judith Soukup’s letter [“Invisible
Women,” Forum, September] is the wrong
approach. I appreciate that you printed her letter,
and I agree with you that the sentence she quotes is
harmless enough. Unfortunately, your response is not
so harmless.
You spend eight words apologizing. The remaining
40-plus words defend your publication in a tone
that, frankly, strikes me as patronizing. It
certainly does not convince me that you took
Soukup’s complaint seriously.
You argue that it’s not just the male sex that
would get a kick out of X-ray specs. But I’m afraid
you’re missing the point, even if it was not clearly
stated by Soukup. One could argue that, while the
sentence in itself is gender-free, well-known
cultural stereotypes cause the reader to picture the
teenager, by default, as male. This is partly why
many respected publications avoid using “he” and
“him” as gender-neutral pronouns: technically they
are not biased, but psychologically they are.
You also point out that one of the article’s
authors is female. Therefore the article cannot
possibly be sexist? I disagree. Just like men, women
are brought up in a culture infested with
stereotypes about women and men. Letters like
Soukup’s should not inspire a war between the sexes,
but rather a joint effort of men and women to
examine how we communicate as a field and whether
that communication style is likely to attract the
best minds to engineering, regardless of their sex,
nationality, economic status, and so on.
What I find missing in your response, between the
apology and the defense, is the effort to examine
how IEEE Spectrum either reflects or departs from
sexist stereotypes about engineering and engineers.
In the future, when a reader charges your
publication with bias, I hope your response will be
to open and encourage dialogue, rather than to shut
it down immediately as you did this time.
Jaymie Strecker
IEEE Student Member
College Park, Md.
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